Just curious have you ever looked at the 284 Winchester for flat shooting. Appropriate hunting bullets may not reach these levels of B.C. No howitzers or tanks.). A flat shooting cartridge matters. Target Rifle- Caliber Question. It just murders your shoulder, ears, and pocketbook at the same time . flat-shooting, and light recoiling cartridge was extremely effective on deer-sized game. Only a handful of .277-caliber cartridges are made today, but the .270 Winchester is still by far the most popular, given all the guns and loads out there for it. bullet. Im going to set a restrictive definition on common and only include cartridges that can be found chambered in most any rifle. Mag. But, as an extreme range competition shooter recently told me, the number of cold barrel, first round hits he sees at 1,000 yards in competition is well below 50%. The non-bonded bullet should deliver good terminal performance up close and at distance. What do you guys think . 1.5" high at 100, would be dead-on at 250, and only drop 30" at 550. The Chey-Tac M200 Intervention is the bolt-action rifle built to handle this round, and shooters have been documented firing a group of 3 shots within 16 inches at 2,321 yards. Every rifle is different. Been there done that, so Im not playing holier-than-thou. Most center-fire rifles that are legal for deer hunting can take a deer at 300 yards. Perhaps you, dear reader, can provide the formula! As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. It was also a resounding success and has remained popular with hunters looking to stretch their effective range. Thank you for the great content you provide. Although its going to be easier to estimate drop for a 700 yard shot with a 30-378, compared to a 30-06, you still need to range your animal within +/-25 yards using the 30-378 to hit vitals. (For anyone who gets worked up about the fact that the .30/06 isnt on this list, feel free to swap it with this one, as long as you dont mind the extra kick. Before we check that out, let's give a nod to the 240 Wby. Some of those 26 and 28 Nosler rifles only have 600-900 shots of total barrel life. Muzzle velocity certainly makes a difference in how fast the bullet reaches the target, but it is by no means the only factor to consider. The RPM does not have a belt or the customary Weatherby radiused shoulder, and it was designed to go with an ultra-light hunting rifle. The flattest-shooting cartridges usually have Nosler or Weatherby in their name, and the top three flat-shooting cartridges were created by those respected companies. 6.5mm calibers Its a top choice of military snipers and can launch heavy bullets with high speed and exceptional precision. Barrel length will change MV. Wondering if anyone can find anything flatter within that range, suitable to kill a whitetail deer with? I blog often and I truly appreciate your content. ), Hornadys Precision Hunter 178-grain ELD-X at 2,600 fps is probably the best long-range option, but look also at the new 168-grain Berger Hybrid Hunter load from Federal, RELATED: 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .308 Winchester. Unless youre shooting really far. Just saying, excellent job to tell the nature of all calibers for hunting from 100 to 700 yards for medium game. Like the 6.5 Creedmoor, the .280 Ackley Improved can remain supersonic out to 1,400 yards. The 6 mm ARC flattens the curve, and as a 2020 introduction, it could be nicknamed the "Corona Cartridge." . If the 300 RUM surprises you, know that it surprised me, too. If there was ever a cult cartridge, the .280 Ackley Improved is it. I have neither the scientific knowledge nor mathematical skills to figure out the perfect blend of factors that produces the flattest trajectory winner. The .17 HMR is based upon the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire casing, necked down to .17 Caliber. Thanks, 26 Nosler 127 gr LRX 3602 Ft./Sec. With the highest BC bullets, the 26 Nosler remains supersonic beyond 1,750 yards. When the .264 Winchester Magnum was introduced about 60 years ago, it became a sensation with shooters looking to extend their reach in the field. I\d be curious to know what the minimum cost is for just the rifle or a quality budget build. It's wide-open so anyone from beginners to pros, 25 caliber pocket guns through to race guns. Also look at Federal Premiums 180-grain Nosler AccuBond offering at 2,960 fps. A 25 yard miscalculation at that distance will vary your hit by half a foot and outside our 6 imaginary circle of vitals. Mag. Unfortunately, the .223 WSSM has fallen by the wayside in recent years. Jim, At 1000 yards a .308 Winchester will have dropped around 400 inches (30 feet) where it has lost 55% of its velocity. I too share your endorsement of Ron, his videos are a treat each week. and MV do. Once again great effort appreciated. What a great tool that you have built. Do you have any of the data on the weight of the bullets, the brand of the bullets, the BC, any of the information related to the data youre posting? Fast and flat shooting b#%ds. With the exception of the 7mm Remington Magnum, cartridges of this diameter have never been as popular in America as they should bemaybe because this was the caliber of the Imperial German Army and the Nazis. bullet faster than did the larger volume 30-378 Wby. Thank you for the time it took to work all this data up in an easy to absorb article, where are you getting your information for the bullet drop? (Curiosity? But to do this, it must launch a heavy bullet and that means recoil can be stiff; from an 8-pound rifle, it generates more than 33 foot-pounds of recoil, which is more than twice that of the 6.5 Creedmoor. Both are of course bolt-action rifle cartridges. Zeroing for 100 yards or farther will change drop significantly. All same bullets for each of the numbers that are then averaged. Just dont try to enumerate its downsides to anyone who knows anything, because there arent any that matter. Yep, me too. I would think this data is slightly skewed unless the bullets are shot out of the same length of barrels and the same practices of reloading. So what if we shoot further than 300? The muzzle velocity is a plus in windy conditions, with the bullet arriving on target with minimal drift. Still, if youre goal is to push heavy projectiles to the outer reaches, Noslers 28 may be the best 7mm option out there. For example a 308 dropping 429 at 1000 yards is ridiculous, thats 10 meters! What Is The Best Hunting Cartridge To 500 yds. Why is the 7 MM Ultra Mag also called the 7RUM not on your lists? (not the bullet Id choose for this beast, just puts it nicely in line with the others), What does that do for you at regular ranges? The 26 and 28 Nosler as well as the 6.5300 Weatherby Magnum all utilize heavy for caliber bullets with high ballistic coefficients that are stabilized by barrels with fast twist rates. 1. . Federals EDGE TLR .270 Winchester is another outstanding option. At 150 yards the target is a 6 inch hole and the gong is behind it. What caliber rifle shoots the flattest? Warm greetings from S.W. Thoughts on this? The Creedmoor carries more velocity and energy downrange with less recoil than any other factory cartridge. Danny. I've been looking at the .257 weatherby that drops about 34" with a 100gr bullet at 500 yards and the .22-250 is another at around 36" with a 50gr bullet. Obviously Weatherby and Nosler, but are there other manufacturers, vendors, builders to consider? Thats equal magnitude to 200fps less flatness! Im not sure Im reading this right but there seems to be a decimal missing. 95% of your shots will be inside 500 yards, and probably 80% inside 300. . Hornady 123-grain SST at 2580 fps. If you like the idea of a six-five for going long, but hate the Creed and want something a bit different, the 6.5-284 Norma is the way to go. The newest addition to the Nosler line of proprietary cartridges is the 27 Nosler. This means we can first determine the fastest cartridge in each caliber, then compare it against the fastest in others. . Im going to include a few in here, and my basis for including them is going to be inclusion in Federals 2013 catalog, because thats what Im basing my numbers off. For good reason. Recoil is stiff and some find it hard to master. Nope, pretty much matches a 308Win to 500 yards. So its not like the flattest shooting rifle gives you a lot more leeway on ranging errors for super long range shots. A benefit of that, you can fing .308 ammo off-the-shelf for any practical application. rating, that 100-grain bullet is hanging in there. Its drop at 1,000 yards is 330.30 and at 500 yards its drop is 50.00. Hey there from Melbourne, Australia. As soon as a projectile leaves the muzzle, the earths gravity instantly begins to affect the trajectory of the round. Still, by using G1 across the board, we are on a level playing field. So, Winchester slightly modified the .270 WSM case so it was a bit shorter and then specified barrels with a faster twist. For optics, I use a Leupold Mark 6 with a Horus reticle. Flattest at 1,000 yards Heres where things start to change. What bullet weight did you select for the .270 Winchester? 223 Remington, or 5.56 NATO is more than capable of shooting over 500 yards with accuracy. Yeah, 6.5s are all the rage, and their blinding popularity has taken some shine off the old .270, but the latter is still one of the very best long-range hunting cartridges. But the premise is based on my farm, where distances are limited to 560 or so yards. (This is essentially what Hornady did to the .260 Remington to make the 6.5 Creedmoor.) These lists are awesome to go over. Ive posted your article on my wildlife and hunting group on FB. Check out more F&S long-range shooting coverage, including advice for getting started in long-range shooting competitions, the reason why rifle groups keep shrinking, how Heavey did at Gunsite Academy, and what makes long-distance shooting so difficult. All Rights Reserved, My Group Therapy: Shooting Log Book | 100 pages (6"x9") | Record Target Shooting Data & Improve your Skills and Precision Paperback June 13, 2019. While there are not a lot of ammunition choices for the 6.8 Western, there are some good ones. It shoots as flat as a Kansas prairie and holds its velocity way out there. Different shooters will all have different calibers that are better suited for their specific goal or mission. Thats comparing apples to apples with the others up above, using a 6 vitals zone. The wise longer range shooter errs on the side of a higher B.C. .25-06 AI with a Berger 115 VLD that's moving 3,600 fps That should be pretty close to flat. Only B.C. . Even though high-BC .30-caliber bullets need to be heavy and pushed hard to shoot flat, many American hunters love them enough to tolerate the recoil. Best Ive been able to do is run ballistic charts on many combinations, knowing that muzzle velocity is of major importance and bullet B.C. As magnums go, the .257 Weatherby is a mild kicker, and it's a great long-range cartridge for deer, pronghorn, sheep, and the like. Besides recoil, the downside is the limited availability of factory ammunition and rifles. Norma offers a 156-grain Oryx load that wont shoot as flat but provides great terminal performance. For the Top 5 you have listed, what manufacturers offer a complete rifle in those calibers? Here we go! And it isn't just the 308 that the 25-06 can best at long range, I compared many other leading types of competition or "flat-shooting" rounds, such as .243, .243 WSSM, 6mm Rem, 6.5 Grendel, .270 Win, .260 Rem, 6.5 x 55 Swede. Any cartridge that drops less than 40 inches at 500 yards or close to 200 inches at 1000 yards should be considered a flat shooting cartridge. Developed form the military, Winchester . Many people found it informative, but some of the hunters wanted to know if you have any statistics available on the calibers as listed above. But the 7mm Remington Magnum will remain supersonic out to 1,400 yards or a bit more, making a good choice for cross-canyon hunting. Indeed, some deer also live in places where a 50-yard shot is much more likely than a 500-yard shot. Not to mention the different variations in grains in each individual caliber,Ogive and BC. I truly don't believe a senseable person would use ANY .22 caliber rifle for deer hunting. Swifts 150-grain Scirocco at 3,036 fps delivers outstanding terminal performance. A long-time favorite of snipers, the .308 Winchester will remain supersonic out to around 1,200 yards. The good news is that these bullets might shoot even a tad flatter than these numbers indicate. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A 10 mph right angle wind at 500 yards can divert even a fast, high B.C. The lesser charge is a flatter, close group load. I also appreciate the realistic exposition of the relevant comparison between effects of flat-shooting cartridge vs judging cross-wind! Heres a chart from my Popular Hunting Cartridges Compared article. Therefore the .17 Remington is the round for you. That should be pretty close to flat. Shot from SAAMI-mandated 1-8 twist barrels, the 6.5s long, slender bullets seem to almost defy wind and gravity and allow this cartridge to deliver clean kills at distance. Jim Harmer is a host of the Backfire Youtube channel. You still need excellent range finding equipment and preferably have tested drops in your rifle in case your bullets have exaggerated BC claims. Yet it has proven again and again that it will deliver at distance. If the hunter is looking for a flat shooting caliber with good energy and speed of distances around 400-yards, then the .270 would be the obvious choice. Factory rifles and ammunition options are limited here, too, but based on the ballistic abilities of this cartridge, thats likely to change sooner rather than later. Surprisingly, even with all the extra recoil and muzzle blast, this cartridge will not shoot any flatter than most 6.5s. From an external ballistics standpoint, it cannot compete with any of the cartridges on this list, but in the field where it matters, it works wonders, and only the 6.5 Creedmoor has less recoil. Want to run your own ballistics numbers? 26 Nosler. Yeah, yeah, I know theyre cartridges and not calibers, but lots of people call them calibers so I thought Id roll with it. But you wouldnt want to hunt with it. rating, that 100-grain bullet is hanging in there. Well placed shots seem to work and poorly placed shots tend to fail. Most shots are taken at short range, but some experienced marksmen with good rifles, known distances, and good conditions may need to make connections at longer distances. Pretty impressive for a low B.C., 55-grain bullet. To even things out, Ive zerod all cartridges at 100, drops are listed in feet and cartridges that fell below 1000 ft-lbs didnt get past the next 100 yard clip. Its biggest disadvantage, in some people's opinion, is .25 caliber bullets have low BCs. It would help one decide on if a cartilage was up to a specific task and if one would be willing to take the kick. If going after larger game is the preference and the hunter is looking for real stopping power within 300-yards, then the .308 would be the go-to caliber. during their trips downrange. I love your work and what you share with us. Kind of underwhelming, right? Awesome indoor range. numbers are accurate. By way of comparison, the .270 Winchester (based on the .30-06 Springfield) offers a case capacity of 67 grains. But if it isnt, go read the article again. Should you have other helpful info, please send it to me by email: [emailprotected]. Is it possible to show those on your web site list? . Fantastic information. Based on the 7.6239/220 Russian cartridge case, the Valkyrie changes the personality of the AR-15. With todays ammunition, its even better. But lets take a quick look at a historically popular flat-shooting cartridge, the .270 Winchester. And they can change in your rifle and will change at different velocities. Links or names greatly appreciated, Thanks! What about the guy who wants to go long with his AR-15? Nor are we maintaining that the flattest shooting cartridge/bullet is the ultimate determinant of a good hunting round. I appreciate the kind comment. Most service rifle matches include stages at 200, 300 and 600 yards, from various positions, some timed, while others are slow-fire. If youre after deeper penetration, look at the 139-grain Barnes VOR-TX Long Range load. great to see bullet drops and equate them in inches of drop brings home the reality of how much impact good old gravity has on ballistics.even with the flattest cartridges still aiming the height of a house above the target @1000 yds Thanks for your hard work and entertaining videos, your passion shines through! Best .270 Rounds Top muzzle velocities with the same combination of powder, primer, and bullet can vary by 100 to 200 fps. For most calibers, such as a 45 getting the impact to be on target at 75 yards, the impact at 50 will be an inch or so high and an inch or so low at 100 and 4 to 6 inches or more low at 200 yards. Therefore my velocity is up to around 3175fps, BC .434 G1 and the 500 yard drop is 23 with a 300 yard zero sight in. While at the High Bar Homestead with PSA, I was able to stretch their 6.5 Grendel out to 1,000 yards with Federal Premium 130 grain Bergers. It gives you an MPBR of 336 yards. I see lots of Wildcats mentioned here. A big 7mm like the 7rum can put a 140 with nearly a .500 bc downrange at over 3500 fps or a 120 with about a .400 bc in the 3600+ fps range. However, I fully admit that that a flat shooting cartridge is not nearly as important as a cartridge which is resistant to wind deflection. bullet 12 inches at 500 yards, a low B.C. At 600 yards, most common cartridges are running out of juice to take down larger game like Elk or Moose, though the 300 win mag/300 WSM still have a bit left in the tank. A .270 caliber rifle loaded with a 130 or a 140 grain bullets will drop respectively 33 and 35 inches with each bullet have over 1400 lbs. The ballistics coefficient of the bullet (a formula which considers the mass, diameter, and aerodynamic drag of a bullet to understand its ability to fight wind and continue on its path) greatly impacts time of flight because it keeps the bullet from slowing down due to inefficiency of flight. For a moose and caribou combo hunt, it's certainly an easy choice..270 Winchester - Like the 30-06, this is a classic caliber that can take on any of North America's big game species. But again, that just my opinion. Flattest at 500 yards Weatherby's wildly overbore 6.5-300 wins again! With the ability to handle more aerodynamic bullets than the .270 Winchester or the .270 WSM, the 6.8 Western and its 1-in-8 twist rate allows this cartridge to outperform both at distance. Death in the Long Grass: A Big Game Hunter's Adventures in the African Bush .by Peter H. Capstick, Dino Paravano, Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders (Volume 1) Paperback, The Complete Guide to Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game: Volume 1: Big Game, Horn of the Hunter: The Story of an African Safari Kindle Edition, Use Enough Gun: On Hunting Big Game Hardcover, Pheasant, Quail, Cottontail: Upland Birds and Small Game from Field to Feast Hardcover March 1, 2018, The Easy Venison Cookbook: 60 Simple Recipes for Deer, Elk, and Moose Kindle Edition. What I have come up with is the .270 Weatherby Magnum with a 135gr Sierra Matchking and 7828. In 2022, he was named as the brands Shooting Editor. But lets have a round of applause for our antiquated 220 Swift, just 0.2-inch off the record! Your Knowledge is greatly appreciated! As much talk as there is about the .270 Winchesters ability to shoot flatly, it does not compare with these three flat-shooting options. I know its a great round, but its by a long shot the best selling rifle chambering of the last several years. Like the 26 Nosler, the 28 is based on the 404 Jeffery case and will remain supersonic out past 1,750 yards. Choosing the proper ammunition and knowing your own capabilities at those distances is most important. What a gentleman. All three cartridges also offer ample case capacity, allowing enough powder to send bullets at drag-defying velocities. HOWEVER after going through Cartridges of The World by Barnes and Skinner it has come to my attention that 7.21 Lazzeroni Firebird is ever more overbore. I've heard that too! Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. The .204 will work quiet well at 500 yards with good shot placement. Montana! plays a major roll in trajectory, but is second in significance to muzzle velocity. Light bullets driven fast shoot flatter over shorter distances. Of course, the .270 Win was developed in 1925 when 1000 yard shots were effectively unheard of. Great chart, I appreciate all your work on this. It has flipped positions with the 6.5, losing by a mere 1.4-inches. 17. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. I still shoot a .270 caliber cartridge and the same 150gr bullet, but with a 3gr powder charge boost. Even the heaviest Weatherby factory load (120-grain Partition) leaves the muzzle at 3,305 feet per second and retains 1,221 foot-pounds of energy at 500 yards. http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator. Your email address will not be published. Save big on firearms, accessories, tactical gear, clothing, and ammunition from now until March 29. Thanks. The actual rain is pretty old-school, not digital distances and whatnot, but it's cheap and the people who work there are great. Notice that it is only 3 grains lighter than the 150-grain .264 atop that Weatherby. Drops just 11.6 inches. None of them will turn you into a trained sniper, but if youve put in the range time and have the skills to stretch it out, these 10 cartridges have the reach and the thump to put game on the ground from the next canyon over. again. They have 1 particular cartridge thats something of a hot-shot for flat shooting, long distance devastation; the Weatherby .30-378. Excellent job. That kind of long-range accuracy comes at a hefty price with this model starting at $11,700 from the manufacturer. . (-200) But if you can shoot this cartridge well, with its supersonic speed out beyond 1,650 yards, youre just about unstoppable at distance, and there are lots of factory loads and riflesaffordable and expensiveto choose from. Since I have shot my .270 Winchester primarily with the Hornady 150gr spire point and I know at 500 yards it drops close to 50 inches. I realize that you looked at several different loads for each cartridge to figure out which one was the flattest shooting. Ditto the 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5-300 Wby. Ballistically, the cartridge is very similar to the 6.5 PRC, but unlike the PRC it uses a standard 0.473 rim diameter like the .308 Winchester. And for all of you whove just learned your flat shooting champion really isnt, sorry. Something like a 7mm Ultramag shooting a 120 TTSX would be pretty flat shooting to 500. I know it is very uncommonly talked about. It propels a 17 Grain bullet at 2,550 feet per second. Generally, traditional Weatherby Magnum cartridges perform slightly better than their Winchester or Remington magnum counterparts. Gravity impacts all objects the same. unfair comparison, Hornady makes a 139 grain BTSP for the 7mm mag very flat shooter, Great info, thanks for your difficult work. Thats what makes a long-range hunters heart go pitter patter, and its what has kept Weatherby in business since 1945. Enjoying many of your video\s whilst stuck in lockdown. Pronghorn hunters have driven the search for flatter shooting cartridges for a long time. Faster velocities mean flatter trajectories. How can I get all the data in a spread sheet form like you showed in your video? Recoil statistics are offered for reference. At 300 yards, the hold over (assuming a 250 yard zero) is only 2.6 inches. At 300 yards it has dropped around 13 inches, and at 500 yards it's just under 60 inches (5 feet). and .30 caliber bore . I see there are some others like 300Win mag as well and thats a very popular cartage so it should be there as well I would think. The flattest shooting caliber and load I could find was the .300 RUM shooting a 150 grain bullet. Based on the old .404 Jeffery case, its the same length as the .30/06, which means it works in standard-length actions. Your email address will not be published. Your email address will not be published. Sign up for Field & Streams newsletter to receive the latest and greatest gear reviews and expert hunting and fishing advice. Feb 17, 2023. Normas 180-grain BondStrike Extreme at 3,084 fps is new and very flat-shooting. I stopped there because few hunters are going to tolerate the recoil or rifle weight needed to operate a flat shooter above 338-caliber. YMMV This should be recommended reading for all shooters learning to shoot long range shots. The .277 bullet earns a lower B.C. Pest control, home defense, and long-range shooting can all be done with 5.56. The following table averages multiple loads for each cartridge and shows an average amount of drop at 500 yards and 1,000 yards for each cartridge. The 300 PRC will cruise above the speed of sound out to 1,650 yards. It makes for easy reading in an \all in one place\ comparison, rather than spending time trying to find this data all over the internet. A Canadian sniper had a record kill at over 3500 yards last year in Afghanistan. Below is a chart indicating the three best flat-shooting cartridges and their muzzle velocity, drop, energy levels, and felt recoil. The .22-250 is accurate, fast and delivers devastating performance at long ranges. Its really tough to spot impacts with that much recoil, and thats becoming increasingly important for shooters. I have not identified bullet make and type because that doesnt change impact drop. With those thoughts in mind, it is easy to see why the 26 Nosler, 28 Nosler and the 6.5300 Weatherby Magnums are the best flat-shooting cartridges offered to rifle shooters today. Beyond 600 or 800 yards, however, the efficiency of the high B.C. The .270 Winchester stays supersonic out to 1,400 yards, which is more than what 99 percent of hunters will ever need. Check out ShootersCalculator.com. However, the .220 Swift and the .22-250 have been used to take deer out to distances a lot of folks got no business shooting, for a long, long time. When considering cartridges for their ability to shoot flat, overcoming drag is critical. Good work mate. At 500 yards . Noslers first proprietary cartridge is basically a steroid-monster 6.5 Creedmoor. cleric; Jan 28, 2023; Bolt Action Rifles ; Replies 13 Views 475. You can't go wrong with a .308 for a 500 yard rifle. The Barrett 416 or CheyTac exceeds this - I have witnessed it first hand - then you get into the wildcat cartridges. Kind regards. Its also based on the 220 Russian/7.62x39mm Russian cartridge, but unlike the Valkyriewhich uses a 0.223-caliber bulletthe Grendel is yet another 6.5.
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